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Sunday, December 28, 2008

If You Like It...

Then, according to Beyonce', "You shoulda put a ring on it"... Ha!!! So, my very good friend and # 1 fan Dee (she's gonna kill me for that one), posed a question: How long does he have before he has to? Let me put it out there and say that I think if he's not clear after 3 years, that this courtship is worthy of marriage, you both may need to take self-inventory and figure out where that gap is (because you both are clearly not on the same page) and moreover, if this relationship is the right one. Now, there are exceptions... For instance, a recent graduation. Money may be scarce and he's trying to navigate a specific career path so that financially he's ready for a family. But honestly, there shouldn't be too many reasons that a man won't marry or at least ask you to take that journey with him.

When Jay and I were dating, it was about a year into the relationship before he officially asked me to marry him and we got married about a year or so after that. We had already talked about getting married, because the relationship was right and we both were clicking on all cylinders, so there was no need to keep that subject a secret. I think it strange that women, and men, feel like they're putting some kind of obia, or curse, on the relationship by bringing up the discussion of marriage. But if we are adults, why wouldn't that be important? Maybe you were someone he was jumping off with and he never saw you as anything more than "cheeks". (Just a sidebar that I thought was note worthy. LOL...) OR, unless of course marriage is just not on his menu (Brown Sugar fans know that line). Then it would be your bad to wait around for 15 years and wonder why he still is not ready to make you his wife when you knew full well that he never intended to marry you. Sometimes things change and homeboy just might change his mind and you live happily ever after. (BTW: I'm absolutely against trying to "change" a man's mind... First of all, we're too grown and if there's more about him that I'd like to change than there are things that I love about him, it's time to exit stage left).

But, there are different reasons why men say they're not ready, which include, but are not limited to the following:

1. "I'm not financially ready"

2. "I'm working on me"

3. "I don't wanna rush"

While all of them make sense in the very early stages of a relationship, they expire after the relationship is mature and you've gone through years of sharing, investing time, energy and money, loving, discussing, sexing (for some), talking and evolving. Ultimately it boils down to being clear on what type of relationship you're in and who you're in it with. (Another sidebar: You better be sure that this is the person you want to be with for the rest of your years before you beat him over the head with Beyonce' lyrics. LOL...) Women are good, for the most part, in gauging the genuine intentions of a man. But where we mess up is never making sure that our expectations or intentions are known and being okay with just being together for all of those years and hoping that he thinks you're the one. I'm absolutely not saying to bring marriage up on the first date, but if you can offer all of you, including your body (and don't be in here fronting like you didn't give it up) then I think marriage is topic-worthy with a man that you say you love and who says that he loves you and after years together, I think he should know if he's ready to "put a ring on it" and you know if he's really the one that ever will.

So, you tell me... How long do you think a man has before he pops the question? AND, I'd really like to know why you guys think men really stall or get scared of the thought of marriage...





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Blogger Unknown said...

*clearing my throat* Where should I start?? Ok, I definitely think Bey was on to something when she wrote this song. Now men get all defensive when they hear women singing it, but they fail to listen to the lyrics. She clearly states..."Cried my tears for 3 good years, can't be mad at me..." So I pose those question, why are men so up in arms about this? From my understanding the man had 3 years to decide the course of their relationship. In that time, his actions said everything she needed to know. That's when she had to "throw him the deuces" and bounce. I see nothing wrong with that. That's my interpretation of that song, moving on....

Now on a personal level, I am not gonna be strung along by a man's incessant excuses. I'm sorry but the man I'm supposed to be with does not need that much time to realize my worth. As two adults, I think that after the 1st year or so marriage can and will be discussed. I say a year but I am not a slave to the timeline. I just picked a time where I felt that we spent enough time together to make an appraisal of the relationship. It could be less or more time depending on the man. And hell to the no, I'm not living with him first sorry!! That's a marriage perk, not dating. But I know for sure I can't stay with a man for years and not be his wife. Of course I'm basing this all on the fact that we both are out of school and financially stable. Economic woes can delay some things but not for that long. I can't let him take my "good years" away from me lol. Im my eyes, If I don't feel we have the potential for marriage, why even date him? Isn't that the goal of a relationship to make it all the way to the altar? So in conclusion, I say that women know when they are being strung along. If you have to ask/HARASS him about when are you getting married, then he doesn't wanna marry you, keep it movin. When a man truly loves you, HE WILL MARRY YOU WILLINGLY NO QUALMS ABOUT IT..THAT'S THE TRUTH.

December 28, 2008 at 3:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay , Soo I hate to get too deep but Eb its who I am! I like the song its catchy and all but it seems to be premature in the suggestion that if you like it you should put a ring on it. I may sound prudish and old fashion in stating he should put a ring on before he gets the chance to like it. I think that in soo many cases it will provide the woman access to learning whether he is into her or whether its talent (cooking sexing etc) she has to offer.If he is getting free head and a ride every now and agian why marry her, his needs sexually are being met and gets a hot meal out the deal if he does well so there is no pressure for him to be responsible.
He may love you and you may have discussed it but how many women have the power to walk away after having somone there to physically meet a need as well. It becomes an inconvieniant convience.Moreover women waiting around for him to be ready and make the first move, (Obviously outside of things Eb mentioned)Are decieving themselves if they feel they are not getting what they want and need in all areas.Its selfish to take so much from a woman and not expect that he should meet her soulish need and satisfaction. If he not is discussing a future or avioding the topic , at some point within love and sex you are decieving yourself if cant read that he does not want to marry you.
I know this may not sound realistic but its an honest way to approach a relationship that has anything longer than six month to 1 year of committment on it without. I mean seriously who has time for extra emotional strain and baggage just for the sake of wasting time.
Ask Nana and Poppop the secret they will tell you,tease him a little and then ask him when he wants to marry you.

December 28, 2008 at 6:07 PM  
Blogger Ebby G. said...

Good points ladies!! I wanted to share something with you all from a guy that didn't want to leave his repsonse on here out of fear that we'd rip him. LOL...

He said a woman that he had dated sent him an e-mail blasting him for his nonchalantness (is that a word. LOL) toward getting married. So at the end of the e-mail she says, "If you liked then you shoulda put a ring on it". His response was, "I didn't like it so I didn't put... Read More a ring on it". LOL. Heavy! He said it was him hoping that she would become the woman that he wanted to marry. He loved her, but he didn't like her ways. She kept a nasty house, didn't want kids, etc and those were important to him, but she was so concerned with wanting to be married that she completely ignored his list of demands. So, sometimes its not that the men aren't ready, we may be the ones that need to get our Proverbs 31 on. LOL. Speak on it!!

December 29, 2008 at 3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now you know I should really talk about this because it wasn't until I left that he decided that he wanted to put a ring on it. That was after 2 kids and 5 years. Now I cooked, cleaned, birthed his kids and went to work. What the hell was his excuse?

I decided that i would not settle for nothing but a RING so now I am on the prowl.....lol but sometimes when us women approach a relationship looking for marriage automatically then guys smell the commitment and RUN. I feel like if you both approach the relationship with open minds then you can approach the marriage issue at the same time because yall will be on the same page. IF YOU ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE THEN TELL HIM TO "KICK ROCKS BARE FOOT"

GO beyonce for the Song....the timeline really depends on the direction life is going for yall as a couple.

December 29, 2008 at 7:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it depends on your age when you start courting. If you are in your teens or early twenties, take your time and get to know one another...not ten years,but not two years. And if you are over 25 get to know yourself ladies, get your own apartment, make sure your career is headed where you want it to be going~~~chk his credit~~~make sure all baby mama's are in chk..then and only then consider 4-7 years. And for my GIRLS IN THEIR 30'S~~~ 2 YEARS MAX~~~

January 2, 2009 at 2:59 PM  
Blogger Ebby G. said...

I agree, I definitely think it depends on your age and also your position in life. I'm thinking more in terms of 2 people who have all of their ducks in a row. In that case, I just wonder what the issue is. I know that one answer doesn't fit all, but I curious to know what the collective thought process of a man is in terms of marriage and what the trepidation is for some?

January 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say that a man should know shortly after you meet if he wants to marry you and vice versa. The meantime stuff should just be spent uncovering if all the wonderful potential spouse things that you're thinking about each other are true. I'd say a year. My husband and I dated for a year and then got married shortly after that in a small ceremony and hope to plan something bigger in a year or two. If it takes longer than that it's excuses in my book. I'd love it if you'd share this question on the site. I think it would spark a nice amount of discussion.

January 14, 2009 at 12:07 PM  

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